Beuys: "We took now *** for Rubens."

Bense: "We have a *** about Beuys."

Beuys: "No, i already told you, i'm not interested."

Bense: "Yes, you said so."

Beuys: "No, i didn't ... i said i am interested in those terms and only in a epistemological way ... so they present information for the people."

Beuys: "You said that i have to make plans when i'm building art"

Bense: "No, no... take Rubens"

Beuys: "I don't want to talk about Rubens!"

Bense: "About whom do you want to talk?"

Beuys: "Then i prefer to talk about my own works."

Bense starts to laugh